Aircooled Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Jeg fant denne siden, under en jaktur på nettet. En utrolig informativ side, for de som vil lære litt om langhold. Langholdskyting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Ja der var det jammen mye interresant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mildot Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Takker Aircooled ....*printer`n spyr ut ark* Siden er lagt til under Aktuelle linker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Der var det litt skikkelig "langholds-porno" ja! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFair Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Takk og takk. Lagret og skrevet ut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Er det mulig å fått dette brent på CD og sendt ut til folket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mildot Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Solheimen PRACTICAL LONG-RANGE RIFLE SHOOTING - PART I: THE RIFLE & GEAR © 2006-2007 DEMIGOD LLC, All Rights Reserved, written by Zak Smith (ALL ARTICLES) (redistribution and republication by express written permission only) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Tror neppe jeg skal lage et så utfyllende kostnad oversikt til ØKH Takker igjen til den luftkjølte stordingen. Nå slipper jeg å kjøpe julehefter Rifle purchase cost $2500 (not counting first barrel) Scope purchase cost $2100 Fixed Cost Total $4600 Two replacement barrels $1200 15,000 reloads $6000 Consumables Cost Total $7200 Two classes enrollment $1600 Two classes travel & lodging $2000 Five major match entry fee $ 875 Five matches travel & lodging $5000 Five local matches per year entry & gas money $2400 Total Training Cost $11,875 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mildot Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Her er flere artikler skrevet av Zak Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 takk mildot. Skriver ikke han for G&A? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mildot Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Om han skriver for G&A vet jeg ikke, men de har ihvertfall utgitt noen av hans artikler, her er litt faq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terje338 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 han seller artikler og fleire våpenblader trykker repotasjene hans om dei betaler nok. Synst han er flink til og skrive, men som andre amrikanere så har han eit litt for amrikansk synspungt på noko av det ein skriver, Dette kom til syne når ej las repotasjen hans om Trg`n. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 hmmm Skumle sider John-A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mildot Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) Nå er`n her Edited December 17, 2007 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Likt anbefaling, AI stokk, S&B PM11 scope, Badger rings Hmmm hvor har jeg sett den for ??? Edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Hi, I apologize for not speaking Norwegian. The Kammeret.no member who goes by "sirKandal" on AR15.com said you guys wouldn't mind if I posted here. I've found that whenever long-range shooters get together, they always have a lot to talk about, and I'm interested to discuss it with you. best regards Zak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Hi Zak, and welcome to us! sirKandal is, as usual, right. That we wouldn't mind if you posted here, is an understatement. Go ahead and start posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 Hi Zak. I've read some of your stuff out there on the web, and I can promise that noeone would mind you posting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjetil Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Nop! We really prefer that you make some posts here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirKandal Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Hi, I apologize for not speaking Norwegian. The Kammeret.no member who goes by "sirKandal" on AR15.com said you guys wouldn't mind if I posted here. I've found that whenever long-range shooters get together, they always have a lot to talk about, and I'm interested to discuss it with you. best regards Zak Hi, good to see you here. I go by sirKandal here to as you see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Thank you Mr.Smith for very interesting articles you are giving us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streken Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Jup. I think I read just about everything on that website a while ago. Good to get a reminder though, I keep forgetting things. Must be old age. I also read 6mmbr.com, lots of useful info there to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Hi, In my corner of the "practical" long-range shooting group, in the last 5 years, we have seen a movement away from both some of the medium-sized magnums like 7mm Remington Magnum and 300 Winchester Magnum and the common .308/7.62x51 towards cartridges like the .260 Remington, 6.5x47 Lapua, 6.5 Creedmoor shot from magazine-fed short-action rifles. The most common rifle over here is some sort of custom-modified Remington 700, usually in a McMillan or AICS stock; however, the SAKO TRG and AI rifles are slowly becoming more popular. (My long-range rifles are all AI's with S&B scopes right now.) Although sound suppressors (silencers) are heavily regulated in the USA, more and more shooters are paying the tax and submitting the paperwork in order to obtain them. The tax is $200, and most of the high-end rifle suppressors cost $800-1200. I've been shooting suppressed almost exclusively for two years (with the exception of 50BMG and 338-- sometimes). 338 Lapua Magnum is somewhat popular (I shoot it), however, a number of people have lately been building up rifles in .338 Remington Ultra Mag as a less expensive alternative. The ballistics are very close. Here is a photo of a 338RUM rifle I am currently testing: ............... Larger version of above photo. We have quite a good selection of "practical" matches, from IPSC, to 3-Gun / Multi-Gun, and practical long-range type matches. Here are a few photos from past matches: ............... Larger version of above photo. ............... Larger version of above photo. ............... Larger version of above photo. Anyway, those are just some notes. I'm interested in hearing some of your experiences with rifles and LR shooting. best regards Zak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakotrg Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 What are the typical ranges you shoot at in these competitions Zak? In Norway there are only one match a year and that's in 500 BR under the Norwegian BR Association, but with slightly changed rules that allow for bi-pod and rear rest from a prone position. They (the NBRA) are currently working on beeing accepted by the government as an approved shooting organization, and when they do there might be more matches. However some people in the eastern part have gained access to a military facility and organize shooting a few times a year. Due to limitations the max range now have been 750m on these gatherings, but the army have recently built a new range (800,1000,1200m) with electronic targets and wireless monitors that we hope we will get a chance to try out! We have somewhat stricter regulations here than in the US, and the authorities are already beginning to set limitations to calibers. First out were the 50 BMG and now it would seem that 416 Barrett and 460 Steyr are next. Over here the 6.5x55 Swedish is a very popular for long lange budget shooting and offers better ballistics than the 308. Cheap ammunition and very good access to component makes this a good choice out to 1000m, and we have members that can prove my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Nice looking rigs Zak, and some awesome places to shoot. Look forward to reading some of your future posts. Edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hi, For long-range matches, we seem to have two types: 1. The conventional or traditional styles, which include NRA High-Power, Palma, F-Class, and 1000-yard Bench Rest. These have set courses of fire, and proscribed distances, and include no movement. Time constraints are minimal. Set distances are from 100 yards to 1000 yards. 2. The "practical" or "field-style" matches, which have no set course of fire and take advantage of terrain features. These matches typically involve movement through the field and have target placement dictated by terrain features-- the match director can set up almost whatever he wants provided it's safe, to give the competitors a good challenge. At matches that my group runs, we typically have 75% of shots from 300 to 700 yards, many from challenging or poor shoot positions (off slope, cannot see from prone position, etc). Then we might have a few very small or otherwise difficult targets under 300 yards, and some targets set out to the maximum distance we can achieve in the location. It's common to have targets at 1000 yards, or out to 1200 yards. If people shooting their law-enforcement or military "issue" .308WIN rifles will be shooting, we try to stay limited to about 1100 yards so they have a chance of hitting those targets. At the match we're running next June, we will have a target at 1350 yards. But really, there is no set maximum distance, and I've heard of matches that start at 1000 yards and end past a mile (1760 yards)-- but I think these are more "lay and shoot" instead of "shoot and move"-type matches. Most of the target systems we use are simply armor steel (3/8" thick usually) hanging from an "A-Frame" stand. Size ranges from 4"x4" up to 14x18" or a full USPSA/IPSC silhouette. These are easy to spot hits on because they visually move and the impact is audible even 1000+ yards away, provided the caliber is sufficient to deliver momentum on the target. We have tried some of the reactive US military target systems (plastic silhouettes that sense impact and activate), however, we have judged these to be not reliable enough to be fair to match competitors. On calibers-- many matches do not allow 338 Lapua because they think it will damage their targets systems. In most cases this is a false fear, but we're stuck with it, I think more people here don't use the 6.5x55 because it doesn't fit properly in a short action, but there's no question it's a good LR cartridge when loaded right. best regards Zak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirKandal Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 It’s some real nice places you shoot at, that’s for shore. I have stopped by your website quite a lot of times over the past years and read articles and seen your photos from shooting matches. I must say that some day I would like to pack my rifle and go shooting long range in the US The practical/field style match sounds interesting, and I hope that we can have something like this here in Norway I have just got a Sako TRG 22, and I saw that someone at SnipersHide posted that you can use AI’s 10rn mag in the trg. Have you tried this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I am pretty sure it won't work, but I haven't tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motnormalt Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I think more people here don't use the 6.5x55 because it doesn't fit properly in a short action, but there's no question it's a good LR cartridge when loaded right. I'm a bit of a novice at this, but what reasons are there to prefer a short action over a long? Is it just a weight issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I think weight, having a shorter action, distance of bolt movement, and ability to use higher-capacity magazines (AI 338 and TRG-42 mags are 5 rounds-- AICS, AI-AW and TRG-22 mags are both 10, I think.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjetil Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I have bought myself a Remington 700 .270win that I'm going to test up to 500meters, it should go nicely! It has a Macmillan stock, Douglas fluted barrel and meopta 3-12. maybe not the best long range rifle, but It will be ok to try after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 But I dont think that you have 15000 Sig Sauers SSG3000/STR200 in 6,5X55 over there, either... Its the standard rifle for competiton in Det Frivillige Skyttervesenet (DFS, the local NRA without the politics) alas irons only... On behalf of the board - A Big Welcome... and we`re gointo pick your brain... Interesting to get some info on the "tactical" competitions, we have something a bit along those lines over here thats called fieldshooting organised by the afore mentioned DFS, the Max distance there is about 600 meters with irons only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I agree. I am sure that part of the reason for the "308"-size cartridges is that our most popular commercial rifles are either "short action" (308) or "long action" (length of 300WM), instead of the "x55mm" or "x57mm" cartridges. I know there are some "sniper" matches over in Finland-- A friend of mine went over to shoot it this year. best Zak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mildot Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) Thank you for sharing your incredible pictures, what a wonderful place to hunt steel. Here in the eastern part of Norway we were lucky to have the chance to shoot on military ground last winter. The target setup included the following: 110 yards paper board for checking point of impact. 220 yards: 10 targets 8x8 inch 330 yards: 2 targets 12x12 inch, 1target 8x8 inch 385 yards:: 2 targets 16x16 inch, 1 target 12x12 inch 440 yards: 2 targets 16x16 inch, 1 target 12x12 inch 495 yards: 2 targets 16x16 inch, 1 target 12x12 inch 550 yards: 2 targets 16x16 inch, 1 target 12x12 inch 572 yards: 1 Megalink electronic target with wireless transmission. (scaled to 300m math target) 605 yards: 2 targets 16x16 inch, 1 target 12x12 inch 660 yards: 2 targets 16x16 inch, 1 target 12x12 inch 825 yards: 2 targets 16x16 inch All made out off ½ inch hardox 400. Very nice setup with flat ground out to 330 yards, then a sloping hill with some tricky winds all the way to 825 yards ending in a ravine. (picture taken with telephoto lens) Lot of fun. A big thanks to Roe on this forum who made this possible Edited December 19, 2007 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirKandal Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Mr Mildot in action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streken Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 cut-cutI have just got a Sako TRG 22, and I saw that someone at SnipersHide posted that you can use AI’s 10rn mag in the trg. Have you tried this? Pm me your adress, and you can try one of mine. I guess going long range shooting in the US is something I'd like to do, perhaps in combination with a bowhunting trip, which has become a tradition. I saw the price of a TRG 42 at Cabelas, and I suppose it was half price, or less, compared to here. Its a bit of work to bring rifles to the us after what I've heard though. As for competitions, I'm certain we'll start moving soon, a lot of people's gotten into this lately. As for myself, I'm currently attempting to build a AI / Stiller/ kongsberg barrel rig in 6,5-284. Long action though, as I dont feel I need the mobility of a shorter action. And with a long action I can play around a bit more with lenght of the 6,5-284, as well as being able to do other calibers later on. Lads, perhaps we ought to check out the Finish sniper match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Salamander Finland should be do-able, but boy I don't want to be dragging 24 pounds of 338 rum through the grass or in difficult terrain. I better go barrel shopping then, maybe a nice 7mm Rum medium weight barrel would be good alternative to the 338. Edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Salamander. I have an article about the finnish sniper contest. I can scan it for you after chrismas if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakotrg Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Aircooled.. Would it be possible to send the article on the finnish sniper match on email if you have scanned it? Just in order not to publish copyrighted material. sakotrg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled Posted January 4, 2008 Author Share Posted January 4, 2008 Aircooled.. Would it be possible to send the article on the finnish sniper match on email if you have scanned it? Just in order not to publish copyrighted material. sakotrg you got a PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caveman Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 As for competitions, I'm certain we'll start moving soon, a lot of people's gotten into this lately. As for myself, I'm currently attempting to build a AI / Stiller/ kongsberg barrel rig in 6,5-284. hvem skal kamre for deg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streken Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Første pipen min blir kamret av Fossdal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streken Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Salamander. I have an article about the finnish sniper contest. I can scan it for you after chrismas if you want. Oh yes, Its after Christmas. Mail at drugeholdbergenÆTgmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.