PlainOldDave

1-1.5M ejection from a Krag? US Krags are well known for anemic ejection of empties, and that's a Good Thing for reloaders, as the 30-40 is a seasonal caliber here (only made for hunting season, and usually NOT every year).

US reloading manuals generally don't list velocity for starting loads; I have the Lyman book (in storage and can't get to it), but wouldn't be surprised if it followed that rule. A goodly number of manuals don't even provide reduced loads for 6.5 Mausers, either, including my mainstay Lee.

6.5 Krag ammunition is nonexistent in the US, and 6.5 Krag load data is nearly so. Most US load manuals and component makers insist their 6.5 Swedish Mauser load data can be used in any 6.5x65 rifle. Help?

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Google Translate is OK, but you all are right. Technical jargon gets lost in translation. As to loading .44-40, treat it like any other large capacity pistol caliber. Modest velocities and bulky powders. Holy Black or any of the substitutes are a LOT of trouble for a repeater like a 73, and there's good loading data out there for almost ANY pistol powder, and probably some in the Norwegian ladebok for the bulk Winchester bullets you have. They won't hurt the barrel, I had a 73 years ago and shot a good number of the Winchester jacketed bullet loads through it. Surprisingly accurate at 400+ yards, but that's a tale for another day. Modest loads are the order of the day; inside that 73 the mechanism isn't much more than an upside down Luger or a Maxim gun and high velocity loads have been known to force the toggle links open. Google Translate er OK, men dere har rett. Teknisk sjargong blir tapt i oversettelsen. Som til lasting 0,44 til 40, behandle den som en hvilken som helst annen stor kapasitet pistol kaliber. Beskjedne hastigheter og klumpete pulver. Holy Svart eller noen av de erstatter er en masse problemer for en repeater som en 73, og det er gode lasting av data der ute for nesten enhver pistol pulver, og sannsynligvis noen i norsk ladebok for bulk Winchester kuler du har. De vil ikke skade løpet, hadde jeg en 73 år siden, og skutt en god del av Winchester mantlet kule belastninger gjennom den. Overraskende nøyaktig på 400 + yards, men det er en tale for en annen dag. Beskjedne belastninger er rekkefølgen av dagen; inne at 73 mekanismen er ikke mye mer enn en opp-ned Luger eller en Maxim pistol og høy hastighet last har vært kjent for å tvinge vippe lenker åpent.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread. ... ir-Courses On phone, and pics kill my data plan. I have learned some about this rifle, but any input the Forum might have is appreciated in advance.

A similar problem to what we have with US-made 6.5x55. US spec for 6.5 base diameter is .473, while Euro spec is .480... Swedish Mauser shooters do report short case life using US cases, and it is widely suspected that the US makers use .30-06 bases to form 6.5x55 from. Et lignende problem med hva vi har med US -laget 6.5x55 . US spec for 6,5 bunndiameter er 0,473 , mens Euro spec er 0,480 ... svenske Mauser skyttere gjør rapportere kort tilfelle liv ved hjelp av amerikanske tilfeller , og det er allment antatt at de amerikanske produsentene bruker 0,30 til 06 baser for å danne 6.5x55 fra .

How's the barrel? For some reason, .25 caliber rifles in general and Remington .25 caliber rifles in particular seem to have poor barrels. I would think the same powders that work well in .32-20 would work well in the .25; Unique, Red Dot, Bullseye. I am a huge Unique fan, but can only imagine how long it's been since there's been any in Norway. As to loading practices, I have good success with the .32-20. I treat it like a tiny RIFLE shell and not a pistol shell. Kiss the case mouth with your expanding die, and use your bullet as an "expanding ball." Seat your bullets by hand in each case. Takes time to be sure, but I rarely lose cases. Hvordan er fat ? For noen grunn, 0,25 kaliber rifler generelt og Remington .25 kaliber rifler særlig synes å ha dårlige fat . Jeg vil tro de samme pulver som fungerer godt i .32-20 ville fungere godt i 0,25 ; Unique, Red Dot , Bullseye . Jeg er en stor Unique fan , men kan bare forestille seg hvor lenge det er siden det har vært noen i Norge . Som til lasting praksis, jeg har god suksess med .32-20 . Jeg behandler det som en liten RIFLE skall og ikke en pistol skall. Kiss tilfelle munnen med ekspanderende dø, og bruke bullet som en " voksende ball." Seat kulene dine for hånd i hvert enkelt tilfelle. Tar tid å være sikker, men jeg mister sjelden tilfeller.

While the .307 and .356 were not much more than semi-rimmed .308 and .358 Winchesters, I would hesitate to use .356WCF load data in your cases made out of .308s. I honestly would have thought you would have extraction problems, and that the .308 cases wouldn't work in your Big Bore. Or is it a Marlin? Never heard of making .356s out of .308s, but I suppose you learn something new every day.

Of all the many I have and have hunted with, including antiquities like the .30 Remington in a pump-action Model 14, a .35 Remington in a Marlin 336, a National Match M1903 Springfield, Mosin-Nagants, and my beloved US Krag, I would have to go with the US .30-40 Krag. The .30-40 Krag is to the .30-06 what the 6.5 Krag is to the 6.5 Swedish Mauser. Does everything the other round does, only a few hundred FPS slower. Which doesn't really matter in our deep East Tennessee woods, where a long shot is 75 yards. With cast bullets, a US Krag is almost bizarrely accurate; the Lyman 311284 was invented as a practice bullet for Krag match shooters back around the turn of the last century. With either 150 or 180gr jacketed bullets, a Krag is deadly on medium-sized game like our Virginia Whitetail deer (Odocoileus virginianus). And the hunter with 220s loaded good and stout (SAFE published data will get you 2100 fps with a 24" barrel) shouldn't feel undergunned facing the largest of game. Townsend Whelen even recommended the 30-40-220 for "silvertip bear." Not that *I'd* go grizzly hunting with a Krag, but he recommended it in The American Rifle back about 1918. And one of the top 10 North American elk was taken with a 30-40 back in 1899, a record that stood for decades. -And translated- Av alle de mange jeg har og har jaktet med, blant annet antikviteter som .30 Remington i en pumpe-action Modell 14, en .35 Remington i en Marlin 336, en National Match M1903 Springfield, Mosin-Nagants, og min elskede US Krag , ville jeg nødt til å gå med USA 0,30 til 40 Krag. Den amerikanske Krag er til 0,30 til 06 hva de 6,5 Krag er til 6.5 svenske Mauser. Gjør alt det andre rundt gjør, bare noen få hundre FPS tregere. Som ikke virkelig betyr noe i våre dype East Tennessee skogen, hvor en lang skudd er 75 yards. Med støpte kuler, er en amerikansk Krag nesten snodig nøyaktig; Lyman 311284 ble oppfunnet som en praksis bullet for Krag kamp skyttere tilbake rundt begynnelsen av forrige århundre. Med enten 150 eller 180gr mantlet kuler, er en Krag dødelig på mellomstore spill som vår Virginia Whitetail hjort (Odocoileus virginianus). Og jegeren med 220s lastet god og stout (SAFE publiserte data får du 2100 fps med en 24 "løp) skal ikke føle undergunned overfor den største av spillet. Townsend Whelen selv anbefalt det 30-40-220 for" Silvertip bjørnen." Ikke at *jeg* gå grizzly jakt med en Krag, men han anbefalte det i "The American Rifle" tilbake ca 1918. Og en av de 10 nordamerikanske elgen ble tatt med en 30-40 tilbake i 1899, en rekord som stått i flere tiår.

I've seen it, and while it DOES address the saved rounds issue you still have the challenge of keeping a .308 (for US Krags) or .264 (for Norwegians) bullet supersonic or at least transonic at 600 yards with the chamber pressure limitations the Krag requires; the flatter shooting .30-06 supplanted the .30 Army in the very early 1920s in this country, as quickly as the teething pains with match-grade .30-06 ammunition were sorted out. In NRA Match Rifle, you win or lose matches at 6. The following link briefly goes over US military rifle shooting, both Service Rifle and Match Rifle. Between these rules and the significant collector value US Krags have, I am sure the Forum will see why, with the exception of CMP Vintage Military Rifle competition, restoring/preserving Krags here is MUCH more prevalent than making match rifles out of them. http://www.egpworld.com/hp/matchrifle/m ... _rifle.htm

Will have to look into them. Lapua doesn't import a particularly broad product line, and what they do import is prodigiously expensive. $15/50 .22 shells as opposed to $5-8/50 for other brands. ..

I love my Krags. That said, the Krag hasn't been a serious match rifle here since shortly after the First World War. Rapid fire (10 shots in 50 seconds by NRA rules ) is just not possible, and the .30-40's rainbow trajectory makes wind doping difficult at best at 600 yards; 20 of the 50 shots in the short National Match Course are single fed at 600 yards, and you still have those 20 in the full length 80 shot course. The "one locking lug" and "cracked locking lug" problems are so accepted here that any Krag's value is almost exclusively as a collectable. Match rifle shooters and hunters alike see Krags as quaint, obsolete relics, and those of us that regularly shoot Krags are a tiny minority.

Something I have found with my 1896 is that she won't shoot pointed bullets as well as roundnoses. Aren't all Lapuas pointed?

A lot of States have similar regulations; in the US hunting law is an almost exclusively State function. I have always liked Sierra bullets, but another issue they have is the crimping cannelure on their 220 grain Game King is placed for the shorter neck for the .30-06, and if used for .30-40 the overall length will be considerably off, and the shells won't fit in the magazine.

Sorry about Google Translate. Will try this way, on phone now and will translate later. The above Norwegian Krag as a US Krag in comparable condition is easily a $1000+ rifle, and if it were a carbine with Spanish American War documentation, especially service with Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders, or an original unmodified 1892 or a Board of Ordinance and Fortifications rifle that figure could be easily doubled. I have heard of an unmodified 1892 US Krag going for over $4000USD. Probably the biggest problem with US Krags is counterfeit carbines. US Krags have spotty at best serial number documentation, and "carfles" (long rifles converted into cavalry carbines, which the Ordinance Corps NEVER did) are common. Springfield Research Service paperwork can make or break a carbine deal. There are collectors that won't buy an undocumented carbine.

Well, you can't blame a man for trying to be neighborly and trying to make a comment more easily understandable... Anyhow, I have hunted with my US Krag for years and a major problem is that most .308 bullets are constructed to hold together at .30-06 or better velocities and sometimes won't expand at lower Krag velocities. Is this a problem with the 6.5?

Jeg kan egentlig ikke kommentere interne politiske saker, men har skutt vårt servicesenter Rifle konkurransedyktig, og 5.56 i AR15 "National Match" rifle forberedt til NRA / CMP regler med 77 or 82 grain kuler vil skyte inn to minutter av vinkel på 600 yards. Det er med emisjons severdigheter; diaopters er generelt ulovlig.

Så lenge timingen er på og sylinderen er tett etter at du trykker på avtrekkeren, kan jeg ikke se en god grunn til å ikke skyte den. Er .32 Short eller Long tilgjengelig i Norge? Ledelsen bullet laster er ment bare for disse gamle våpen.

Dette er fascinerende. Kanskje 20% av amerikanske Krags kan ha sin historie spores gjennom Springfield Research Service (en "SRS Hit"), og selv da hæren ikke utstede rifler i rekkefølge. 37716 kan ha gått til en Iowa frivillig infanteriregiment (det som nå er National Guard, lokale tropper bare under nasjonal kontroll i krig eller krise) og 37717 kan ha gått til "Gamle Garde" (3rd US infanteriregiment, vanlig US Army). Så nært som vi får er karabiner er observert i serienummerserier, mellom xx, xxx og yy, yyy. Det hjelper en god del i å oppdage forfalskninger. Fascinerende greier, ikke la meg threadjack.

Har jaktet i mange år med min amerikanske Krag, og ett problem vi har her i USA er 0,308 jakt bullet jakker er designet for å holde en kule sammen på 0,30-'06 hastigheter og kan ikke utvide skikkelig på lavere Krag hastigheter. Som til 6,5 Krag versus 6,5 Mauser, er det en utbredt misforståelse i USA som en hvilken som helst 6.5x55 ammunisjon er sikker i en hvilken som helst 6.5x55 rifle. Dette er en av grunnene til at jeg er her. Og det er ingen 6,5 Krag bestemt lasting av data publisert i USA. 6.5 Swedish Mauser ammo i en Krag er omtrent som 0,38-44 High Velocity (0,357 ballistikk i 0,38 Spesielle tilfeller) eller .32-20 "for rifle bare" i en revolver.

Ja, kan en amerikansk Krag være veldig dyrt; ikke vanskelig å bryte $ 1000US for en "riktig" rifle, men det er egentlig ikke noe slikt. Karabiner er så ofte forfalsket at en karabin uten papirer er verdsatt som en konvertering til jakt, men en karabin med "Rough Rider" historie vil gi den høyeste verdien. Hvis din rifle var en amerikansk Krag, det kan godt bryte $ 2000 eller mer USD. Hvis det var en umodifisert 1892 eller et Styre av Forordningen og Forsterkning rifle i den tilstanden, $ 3000 er kanskje ikke urimelig. Er det et forum viet spesielt til Krags her? And the original, with clarification... American Krags are very expensive; it's not hard to break $ 1000US for a "correct" rifle, but there is really no such thing. The American Krag was almost continuously modified throughout its service career. Carbines are so often faked that an undocumented one will be passed on by many collectors, but a carbine with "Rough Rider" history (Teddy Roosevelt and the Spanish-American War) or other documented history will bring a justified premium. If your rifle was an American Krag in similar condition, it might well break $ 2,000 or more USD. If it was an unmodified 1892 (most "1892" Krags are really what collectors call 1892/96 Rifles, updated to 1896 specification) or a Board of Regulation and Reinforcing rifle in that condition, $ 3000 or more is not unreasonable.

New hereabouts, but not to Krags. Have had 2 US Krags and after almost 30 years of looking finally found an 1894 Norwegian long rifle, a 1915 with a superb bore. Very hard to find on this side of the water. Google Translate will be a close companion on this board unless there is a no problem with posting in English. Looking forward to learning more about the single finest European and American military rifle of all time, the Krag. Og med Google Translate ... Nye hereabouts, men ikke til Krags. Har hatt to amerikanske Krags og etter nesten 30 år med jakt endelig funnet en 1894 norske lang rifle, en 1915 med en flott bar. Veldig vanskelig å finne på denne siden av vannet. Google Trans vil være en nær følgesvenn på dette forumet, med mindre det er et ikke noe problem med å legge ut på engelsk. Ser frem til å lære mer om enkelt fineste europeiske og amerikanske militære rifle av all tid, Krag.