DAC Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 SIG SHR 970 Match eller Howa Model 1500 Varminter Hilsen fra Romania, Jeg er foran dette dilemmaet ... etter en lang ventetid endelig er jeg i posisjon til å kjøpe en ny rifle.I fant en SIG SHR 970 Match (second hand) til samme pris med en ny Howa Model 1500 Varminter rustfritt (Hogue Full lengde Aluminium Bedding Block lager) både i 0.308, tunge fat .... Jeg akter å bruke rifle som alle rundt (jeg bryr meg ikke om vekt), rogn til villsvin også for noen lang rekkevidde plinking (500-800 meter) for moro skyld. Spørsmålet er SHR eller Howa? SHR synes å være en bedre build, men støttes ikke lenger så reservedeler synes å være vanskelig å finne ... Howa er mer vanlig, er wich en mer nøyaktig? ... mer pålitelig? Takk P.S. Jeg beklager språket mitt, brukte jeg google translate til å oversette i norsk. ================================================================================= Greetings from Romania, I'm in front of this dilemma ...after a long wait finally i'm in position to buy a new rifle.I found a SIG SHR 970 Match (second hand) at same price with a new Howa Model 1500 Varminter stainless (Hogue Full Length Aluminium Bedding Block stock)both in .308 , heavy barrel.... I intend to use the rifle as all around (i don't care about the weight ) , roe to wild boar also for some long range plinking (500-800 meters) for fun . The question is SHR or Howa? SHR seems to be a better build but is no longer supported so spare parts seems to be hard to find ...Howa is more common , wich one is more accurate? ...more reliable ? Thank you P.S. I apologise for my language , i used google translate to translate in Norwegian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Cane Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Hei. Jeg har kun skutt med en SIG SHR 970 i 6.5x55 og det var en hyggelig overraskelse. Riflen hadde godt avtrekk, var presis, virket velbygget og av god kvalitet. Hadde det vært mitt valg, hadde jeg valgt en SIG SHR 970 framfor en Howa. Lykke til Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 @Norway Takk for svaret. Vennligst om er mulig kan du fortelle meg hvilket nivå av presisjon bør jeg forvente fra SHR? MOA eller bedre? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for your answer. Please if is possible can you tell me what level of precision should I expect from SHR? MOA or better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauer 150 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 @Norway Takk for svaret. Vennligst om er mulig kan du fortelle meg hvilket nivå av presisjon bør jeg forvente fra SHR? MOA eller bedre? If you are satified with only MOA precision - go ahead and buy an SHR. If you want more buy a Howa Varmint with a B&C Presicion stokk. A 20 MOA picatinny rail, a little adjustment on trigger weight and you are good to go as far as a 308 can take you. HB Howa's we do expect them to shot roughly 5 shot groups at approx 1/2 MOA with tailored handloads. A Reminton LTR should do the same and also a Savage 10 BA/FCP HS or 10FCP MCM which should all be on top of your list of guns to checkout if you want a mid level 308 rifle which really shoots. Just to inform you, I make my living out of selling all the above guns - except the SHR that I do not think are currently being represented by anyone in Norway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 Takk @ Sauer 150 Så Howa vil bli en bedre skytter, er dette en viktig ting for meg. Jeg har allerede en 20 MOA Picatinny rail hvorav ca monteres på Howa eller Remington kort handling (en Recknagel fra Roedale butikken) og for denne rifla allerede jeg har en splitter ny IOR 3-18x42. Hullet Historien er slik i den 3 oktober 2011 bestilte jeg en Howa (226 dager siden) at jeg ikke fikk rifla ... ennå, så SHR var en rettferdig en uventet tilbud. Jeg er optimistisk og tålmodig person jeg håper til de internasjonale barnas dag (1. juni) for å få min leketøy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you @Sauer 150 So Howa will be a better shooter, this is an important thing for me. I already have a 20 MOA picatinny rail which ca be fitted on Howa or Remington short action (a Recknagel from Roedale store) and for this rifle I already have a brand new IOR 3-18x42. The hole story is like this in 3 October 2011 I ordered a Howa (226 days ago) I didn't got the rifle...yet , so SHR was a just an unexpected offer . I'm am optimistic and patient person I hope till the international children's day (1 June) to get my toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 For ikke å glemme ... Tenker du Bell og Carlson en bedre aksje sammenlignet med Hogue? ... dette er fordi du kan ha en kvalitet sengetøy mer lett på B & C eller er en annen grunn ... om stivhet jeg var ute etter full lengde aluminiumsblokk på Hogue. bør være mer rigid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not to forget... Do you consider Bell and Carlson a better stock compared with Hogue?...this is because you can have a quality bedding more easy on B&C or is another reason ...regarding stiffness i was looking for full length aluminum block on Hogue. should be more rigid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauer 150 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I was referring to the B&C's with the full bedding block. Rough it up a bit and apply a thin layer of bedding compound and you will have an extremely uniform and rigid platform to shot from. If my memory serves me correctly a 700 SA rail will not fit a Howa SA, LA rails however are interchangeable. We more or less carry Warne rails exclusively. Attached the rings - true them thoroughly before mounting your scope for a stress free mount. Your choice of scope is a very fine choice in my book, at least for the money spent. I personally prefer a Hensholdt 4-16x56FF for best overall performance as a hunting/long range scope but the price effectively prohibits having many of them 226 days is a looong wait for a standard gun - you are a very patient individual ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 I checked with my dealer , he is able to provide me only Bell and Carlson Medalist Varmint/Tactical this one from the picture bellow (Bell and Carlson #: 6655-02) My concern about this stock is the Monte Carlo cheek piece , i know sometime this shape of stock can "increase" the felt recoil compared with a more straight stock. Sauer 150, do you have experience with this stock regarding felt recoil? I'm not recoil sensitive .300 wm is for me more pleasant to shoot then my 12 ga but i consider also this aspect because i want to avoid factors who can develop flinching. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 Jeg sjekket med forhandleren min, er han i stand til å gi meg bare Bell og Carlson Medalist Varmint / Tactical denne fra bildet nedenfor (Bell og Carlson #: 6655-02) Min bekymring om dette lager er det Monte Carlo kinnet stykke, kjenner jeg en gang denne formen lager kan "øke" filten rekyl sammenlignet med en mer straight lager. Sauer 150, har du erfaring med dette lager angående følt rekyl? Jeg er ikke rekyl sensitive 0.300 wm er for meg mer behagelig å skyte da min 12 GA men anser jeg også dette aspektet fordi jeg ønsker å unngå faktorer som kan utvikle flinching. Takk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauer 150 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I'm sorry to admit that I have not shot enough with the two myself to say anything valid about the preceived recoil of these two stock alternatives. I would howver not put to much emphasis on this since a 5 kg 308 rifle is no recoil monster regardless. Good luck with your choice - let us know how it turns out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 I'm sorry to admit that I have not shot enough with the two myself to say anything valid about the preceived recoil of these two stock alternatives. I would howver not put to much emphasis on this since a 5 kg 308 rifle is no recoil monster regardless. Good luck with your choice - let us know how it turns out After 354 days of wait finaly i got the rifle Thank you for all good advices. Rifle have less or no recoil (it is some odd recoil with Prvi Partizan GROM 170 gr hunting ammo in rest with other ammo my 51 kg wife have no problems shooting it ) I will come back with some groups (don't have pictures but is a laser) . As few toughs.... I like it all except 1 thing , trigger. Is the 2 stages one, is sett now to the lightest level and is not light enough in my humble opinion , after hunting season is over i intend to strip the trigger and to polish some faces (green part) , if i fail i will replace with a Timney or Basix . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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